Oh look it’s the big fat gay herring…
May 10, 2008 by Polly Styrene
Oh dear, so it looks like the Criminal Justice Bill has been passed after all then. This is the bill that inter alia criminalises the possession of “extreme pornography”. Which is defined as…
An act which threatens or appears to threaten a person’s life.
An act which results in or appears to result in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals.
An act which involves or appears to involve sexual interference with a human corpse.
A person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal.”
Now we could debate until the end of time the rights and wrongs of this, and quite frankly I’m not that interested in doing it because it just descends to pantomime level very quickly. Basically it’s one of those arguments (like the trans wars) where both sides hold opposing views and are very unlikely to ever meet in the middle. So the ‘debate’ is completely pointless. And I think I’ve made it clear where I stand already.
No what I’m interested in is the tactics being used by some sections of the anti lobby to advance their arguments. Firstly Backlash - the main opposition (you can find them by putting Backlash into google) seem terribly keen to stress how much women oppose the bill, and have gone so far as to solicit stories from women who oppose the bill (though if you look at the site, there aren’t that many). And they have a spokeswoman called Deborah Hyde. We know nothing about Ms Hyde, we don’t even know if she’s actually a member of Backlash, because they don’t say. But you get the drift - men looking at pictures of women being tortured and getting off on it is um - a bit icky. But women doing it - that’s all right then!
However this isn’t enough to get the trendy liberal folks’ sympathy is it - I mean it’s only women, and that’s sooooo unfashionable. So predictably what we get dragged out next is - it’s a gay rights issue.
All together now:
Oh no it isn’t!
Now mysteriously Backlash seem to have removed from their website their previous allegation that the Criminal Justice Bill will ’stigmatise gay men and lesbians’. Good, because it’s a bunch of crap. Though they are still claiming that ‘bedrooms will be bugged’. Really?
However over at The Burning Times I read this comment by an opponent of the bill.
” I would say the government is actually, for once, attempting to take seriously the death of a woman at the hands of a man, and the concerns of her grieving mother, and to do something to prevent similar deaths. [Debs' comment]
The police have already indicated that this is unlikely; instead, they’re talking about Operation Spanner again, and sending off every signal that they’re going to go after gay men rather than take away porn from heterosexuals.”
Really that’s fascinating isn’t it? How have the police indicated this exactly? Have they issued a public statement? Yes it’s the big fat gay herring!
“Operation Spanner” was a case in which a number of gay male sado masochists were charged with assault. The police were able to do this because - you might think stoopidly - the gay men filmed the activities going on so that there was evidence. The gay men claimed that because they had consented to the activities there was no assault. The case went to court as R v Brown in which it was established that consent was not a defence to the infliction of any injury which was more than ‘transient and trifling’.
Now please note this does not apply just to sado masochistic sex. Nor does it only apply to gay men. It applies to any situation where one person assaults another person which does not come under the category of lawful exceptions (such as surgery, licensed boxing, licensed tattoing and ear piercing etc). As I’ve indicated below, there are good reasons for not changing the law here. Mainly that if the law was changed it would make domestic violence cases almost impossible to prosecute. A defendant would be able to claim that the injuries were inflicted consensually as part of rough sex - think how hard it is to prove marital rape, if you want a comparison.
Hard cases make bad law. If this proves anything, it is that if you are committing an unlawful act it’s not a good idea to film yourself and provide evidence. The truth is that quite frankly, an assault committed consensually is unlikely to result in a prosecution because no one will complain. Burglary is illegal - do you know anyone whose house has been burgled where the culprit has actually been caught?
But of course if you say ‘this affects gay people’ the sensitive liberal nerve starts twitching. Oh noes it’s homophobic! Well no it bleeding well isn’t. Let us consider what happens if a gay man or lesbian is parked illegally and gets a parking ticket. Does this mean parking tickets are ‘homophobic’ FFS?. No - it’s the law stooopid! The Spanner defendants would have been just as guilty if they were heterosexual.
Similarly to claim that this law will affect gay men and lesbians disproportionately is just not true. That would only be the case if ALL gay men and lesbians practised BDSM. And last time I checked that wasn’t the case. As far as I know it’s no more than the percentage of heterosexual people who practise BDSM. What is anti gay and lesbian, in my not so humble opinion as a lesbian, is to go round implying that because I am a lesbian I automatically have common cause with the defendants in Operation Spanner. I can honestly say that in my entire life I have never nailed anyone’s penis to a board.
Now if the police are homophobic it is of course open to them to use ANY law unfairly by targeting gay men and lesbians. Just as it is open to them to use ANY law in a racist manner by targeting BME people. “Stop and search” being the classic example. The answer to this is to challenge homophobia and racism in the police force. Not to stop having laws.
But there is no evidence that police are going to use the new law to target gay men in any case as far as I can see. Indeed if ‘hundreds of thousands’ of people are going to be arrested as Deborah Hyde claims, they must surely arrest some straight people?
If a law is drafted that affects everybody, it will inevitably affect gay men and lesbians as part of the general population. Trying to claim that it will affect them disproportionately when there’s no evidence that it will to gain the sympathy of trendy liberals is homophobic in itself. Because it is (straight people mostly) using the very real issues of homophobia in a misleading way for their own ends. Which is in itself likely to stigmatise gay men and lesbians further by presenting a misleading image of them to the general public. Well as a lesbian I need that as much as a big fat gay herring needs a bicycle.
The truth is that quite frankly, an assault committed consensually is unlikely to result in a prosecution because no one will complain.
Excellent point. Perhaps backtrash are just worried because all their widdle BDSMoronic romps aren’t so Safe, Sane or Consensual.
“Oh Myfanwy these crisps are cheese and onion!”
“Oh do gay people not like cheese and onion?”
“Well I don’t and I’m a gay”
Yes that’s about the strength of this argument…..
Oh and just to prove that it’s not just gay men or BDSM practictioners who get convicted for consensual assault, here’s the tale of some idiot who broke his girlfriend’s legs (with her agreement) in an attempt to commit insurance fraud. He was jailed for 3 years for GBH. Because the dimwit filmed himself on his mobile phone.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=558675&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true
Ah yes, the liberal co-opt. In which I as a lesbian somehow end up being the homophobic one because I point out the idiocy and inappropriateness of clueless straight people co-opting supposedly gay and lesbian issues for the all important purposes of liberal guilt alleviation (or so the liberal can feel edgy and ‘down’ with the marginalised and oppressed).
I might - note the might - have some respect for Backlash if they argued their case from a standpoint of intellectual honesty. I wouldn’t agree with them, but I might respect them. If they said straightforwardly “some people (mainly men) like to masturbate to these types of extreme images, (of mainly women, but also animals and men being raped/tortured/strangled/injured) we argue that they should be allowed to do that for reasons X, Y and Z”.
But they realise that that’s not particularly good PR, particularly the bit about it being mainly men - people find the idea of a Graham Coutts*, watching snuff porn and then killing (or just fantasising about killing) a woman not particularly edifying for some strange reason. If getting off on extreme porn is wrong, the fact that a woman or a gay man/lesbian does it doesn’t make it any righter (or indeed wronger, it’s either morally/legally justified or it isn’t). But it plays better with the liberals. And that’s why they do it. That and the outright lies, like the stuff about bedrooms being bugged FFS.
*Oh and of course backlash were arguing that Coutts wuz innocent. Until he was found guilty for the second time, when they were forced to admit he wasn’t.
I remember when backtrash got all excited about Coutts’ second trial.
Two words “HAH HAH”.
I know it’s very quiet in here isn’t it. When you’d normally expect this to be trolled to death….
Interesting fact
Press contact details for Backlash: (spokesperson Deborah Hyde)
PO Box 4631
London
SW17 OBT
Contact details for Oasis Media (PR company for voluntary sector) run by one Deborah Hyde…
Oasis Media
PO Box 46379
London SW17 9UJ
That could be complete coincidence of course……I wouldn’t want to malign Ms Hyde of Oasis Media, who it should be stressed do not list backlash as a client. But if backlash explained who their Ms Hyde was, we wouldn’t need to indulge in this pointless google fuelled speculation…
Seriously, would you list backtrash as a client?
Nice googling.
Yeah good google Polly. Remember never leave home without it…
The cops will be so busy jacking off to their hetero porn that they won’t even arrest anyone making violent porn anyway…
I wish I could be happy about this law as it acknowledges in some ways that some porn does have violence and abuse in it (I think all porn does, but ya know…)…
To give some background to this case which international readers may not be aware of. This law was campaigned for by the mother of Jane Longhurst. Jane Longhurst was murdered in a particularly horrible way by Graham Coutts, who had been using snuff porn heavily on the internet in the days before committed the murder.
Because of a legal technicality, Coutts first conviction was quashed and he was retried and found guilty a second time. When the first conviction was quashed, a number of B*SM groups (including I seem to remember Backlash) proclaimed Coutts’ innocence, claiming the killing of Jane Longhurst was a result of a consensual B*SM act. They have dropped this claim now, strangely enough, and seem to have forgotten they made it. Just thought I’d remind them.
And from “red pepper” a member of backlash writes….
“Many active members [of backlash] are women who fiercely object to the suppression of images of adult sexuality in the name of ‘protecting’ us. We have collected an archive of articles by women from the International Union of Sex Workers to housewives with children, all protesting the proposed law. Some of our supporters practise BDSM (bondage, domination, sadomasochism) in their own lives; some are simply opposed to censorship; all condemn the lie that there is a such a thing as ‘extreme porn’ that can be separated from the rest of human life and the people involved labelled as evil so that everyone else gets to feel nice.”
Curious then how all the female members of backlash whose stories are featured on their site practise BDSM. (all but one submissive). Curious also that if you don’t believe extreme porn can be separated from the rest of life that you support it’s possession.
But most curious is how they never, ever, ever, ever mention all the men who want to keep their precious porn. Like the ones who signed this petition.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Violent-Porn/
Thanks for the background info Polly. That makes me wanna vomit.
“Curious then how all the female members of backlash whose stories are featured on their site practise BDSM. (all but one submissive). Curious also that if you don’t believe extreme porn can be separated from the rest of life that you support it’s possession.
But most curious is how they never, ever, ever, ever mention all the men who want to keep their precious porn. Like the ones who signed this petition.”
Assholes.
And I’ll just add, it’s ironic that these “anti-censorship” screwballs accuse radical feminists of “using” or “patronizing” women for an agenda, meanwhile these people at Backlash and their ilk are doing exactly that! They’ve used the tragic and violent death of this woman to claim innocence for a misogynist murderer, then back out on their whole disgusting campaign soon after. Talk about a fucking agenda…
I know if you believe Backlash’s publicity you’d think the opposition to this bill was entirely composed of women and gay people. (backlash were at one point e-mailing women on a blogging site popular with the B*SM community asking them to contribute to the backlash site).
Dear Gawd what about the menz? For once they don’t seem very keen to voice their opinions….
Or what about this FFS from the New Statesman?
“But Backlash’s Deborah Hyde said, “We already have the tightest regulation of any Western country on pornography…but now they can come into your home whenever they like and they can cast doubt about your character amongst your community and with your employers and we have no rights to recourse.”
Well only if you’ve got EXTREME PORN Deborah. And there is still the little matter of the law (you need a search warrant to enter someone’s home), the law of libe/slander (anything that is said that is untrue can result in legal action) and the police complaints authority. So I wouldn’t exactly say you have no rights of recourse - you seem to have a lot of rights of recourse.
But how about this idea- NO EXTREME PORN, NO PROBLEM!
http://www.newstatesman.com/200805100003
Dear gawd what about teh menz indeedy.
Just the puppet-masters pulling the strings on their female/gay frontpuppets.
Anyway, have any of those porndefenders ever looked at their b*sm porn? Do they actually know how stoopid they look? Let’s focus on showing how ridiculous they look. Much much worse than a lot of 70s fashion for sure.
Exhibit A (not explicit, just stoopid):
boingboing.net/images/_cnn_2006_LAW_01_30_dominatrix.acquitted.ap_vert.prosecutor.ap.jpg
The link ain’t working Stormy, but this amused me in the comments on the ‘New Statesman’ article.
“So with this law, thousands of people owning a copy of Madonna’s ‘SEX’ book will be criminals? Maybe they should burn these books, as they are obviously corrupting people!”
The answer is a) no they won’t and b) yes they should. Because Madonna’s ‘Sex’ book is crap. And she shouldn’t be encouraged.
“So with this law, thousands of people owning a copy of Madonna’s ‘SEX’ book will be criminals? Maybe they should burn these books, as they are obviously corrupting people!”
Have these people ever heard of hyperbole?
Well, I didn’t want to live-link it, I *know* how you love traffic from those parts.
Here is the link again, you will need put in http://www.
and join this lot up:
boingboing.net/images/_cnn_2006_LAW_01_30_dominatrix.
acquitted.ap_vert.prosecutor.ap.jpg
They probably think hyperbole is some new japanese form of bondage sparks - but yes come on, get real folks….the police don’t come round if you phone them and tell them armed robbers have just burst into your home, so they won’t come and confiscate your coffee table fake porn…
They’ve left the price tag on Stormy - do they want to return it to M&S?
(yes I know it’s the exhibit label….)
coffee table fake porn…
tee hee hee